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[–]guyincorporated 34 points35 points ago*

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I work on a big hollywood lot, and we all share one IP address (at least as far as wikipedia is concerned). I randomly stumbled across the greatest wikipedia page ever: the global list of all wikipedia edits made from my lot.

Highlights inlude:

  • There's someone that edits and maintains all things Xanadu. Xanadu the musical, xanadu the movie, xanadu on ice...

  • There's a lot of updates to the "notable alumni" sections of various highschools and colleges (people adding themselves or updating their titles).

  • Some dude is obsessed with The College of William and Mary. Like 10+ updates a day to the college or to people who have attended, all doing his or her best to portray the college in as positive a fashion as possible.

  • Lots of vandalism. The whole lot will get banned from editing for weeks at a time.

  • Lots of updates to personal pages, usually deleting the "controvercy" sections.

[–]MCMLXXXVII 8 points9 points ago

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There's someone that edits and maintains all things Xanadu). Ugh, I know there's a way to fix the link, but just put a closed parenthesis around it.

 [Example](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanadu_(film\))

Example

Just FYI. Backslashes are awesome.

[–]giantsfan134 3 points4 points ago

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I would have been lazy and linked to the disambiguation page. Seems more relevant too.

[–]Shinhan 1 point2 points ago

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General reddit tip: if something is not working right, try adding more backslashes.

[–]guyincorporated 1 point2 points ago

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Ah, backslash-double closed parenthesis. I tried the backslash, but it wasn't quite working. Many thanks.

[–]slippage[S] 3 points4 points ago

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Tisk Tisk I am pretty sure it is against TOS to write about yourself ;) Though honestly, who else would bother writing half of the biographical crap up there. PS how do you find the info for IP addresses? I am sure there are plenty of people here who are in similar situations with shared IP (myself included)

[–]guyincorporated 2 points3 points ago

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It was a right place/right time moment. I was on wikipedia and the next page I clicked to had a message bar at the top of the article saying I had new mail. Not being logged in at the time, you could imagine my surprise. So I checked it out and it was an automated message saying they had deleted some vandalism and I could look at it at the following link. I went there and it had every change on the same page. Good times.

If you want to find your own, make an edit to any article, then click "view history" at the top. The most-recent edit should be an IP address. Click the IP (where the username would normally be), and you'll go to a page with all the edits from your building/lot/whatever.

[–]slippage[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Looks like if you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MyTalk it will direct you to your IP. Apparently the only person with my IP who makes edits likes to have conversations with himself in the Talk thread and was banned a week in July for sockpuppetry. Good Times. Oddly enough I work in a very large building so I am surprised that this is the only instance.

[–]Starswarm 99 points100 points ago

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I will often make corrections to Wikipedia articles, spelling and grammar usually, only to have them reverted by bots trying to protect the sanctity of the article from my grubby little hands.

I'm not bitter.

[–]taev 28 points29 points ago

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I also do spelling/grammar edits, but I don't go back to see if the changes are reverted or whatever.

[–]fuckshitwank 6 points7 points ago

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If you use wikipedia again using the same ip as the one you made the edits on then you'll get a message to say that your edit was unwelcome. I guess that your edits got through as you're unaware of this.

You then need to re-edit it and explain your reasoning. If you haven't been put off.

[–]mmaluff 10 points11 points ago

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Just write "spelling/grammar" in the "reason" field every time you make an edition.

[–]sumzup 5 points6 points ago

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make an edit

reason: spelling/grammar

[–]mmaluff 7 points8 points ago

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No, an edition.

[–]sumzup 0 points1 point ago

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Edit: Okay, I guess we're both right depending on the intended meaning. I still think "edition" doesn't make as much sense, though.

[–]paolog 2 points3 points ago

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I think it's better to go into more detail than that. Typically I will write things like "added missing parenthetic comma" or "added hyphen to attributive phrase" to show which rules of grammar I am applying.

[–]mmaluff 0 points1 point ago

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This is true, and I do this when I edit the Spanish Wikipedia. I guess you should be as detailed as possible, but I would argue that the average English speaker doesn't actually know the name of the grammatical rules they are applying, they just know it's right. I've been told they aren't very in-depth when they teach you orthography/grammar in English speaking countries.

[–]chk_chk 1 point2 points ago*

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I make minor edits like spelling or relinking something once or twice a week with no login account. Never seen a bot revert basic edits.
Created one article from scratch, which is still up after a year and a half.

[–]istara 8 points9 points ago

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I'm more bitter about anality and deletionism. It hasn't put me off creating and adding to articles completely, but it has reduced the level of my zeal and effort.

I actually think that Wikipedia's "board" or whatever needs to set a guideline on this. Particularly annoying are the deletions of people in current events, many of which seem to stem from a reality TV/minor celebrity "backlash" fused with intellectual superiority, when every single fucking Pokemon gets to have its own page.

Either Wikipedia wants to be the ultimate fount of all world knowledge on any issue from a meme to the theory of relativity, or it wants to be a pompous and limited resource devoted to what the deletionists personally believe is "worthwhile".

I know what I would prefer. I would so much rather that internet newbies could get a reference on what "LOL" etc is from Wiki than from Encylopaedia Dramatica.

[–]Shinhan 5 points6 points ago

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Inclusionists FTW!

[–]istara 3 points4 points ago

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That's me ;)

[–]sumzup 1 point2 points ago

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It's not like Wikipedia is limited by physical constraints, either. There really shouldn't be deletionists with such a strict agenda; as long as an article is well-written and has quality, I don't see any reason why it should be deleted. There are huge portions of Wikipedia that I will never come across and/or have no interest in, but I'm glad they exist, all the same.

[–]celoyd 0 points1 point ago

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as long as an article is well-written and has quality, I don't see any reason why it should be deleted

I would go even further: if it isn’t false or totally irrelevant, I don’t see why it should be deleted. If it has organizational or prose style problems, these can be flagged. A lousy article is worth a lot more to the reader, and is a lot easier to build a good article out of, than no article at all.

[–]abelsson 5 points6 points ago

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Do you have an example of when this happened? If there are any malfunctioning bots we'd like to fix them.

[–]MarginOfError 2 points3 points ago

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A better question is why do you have bots reverting changes made by Wiki users? Isn't the entire point of Wikipedia that anyone can freely alter it?

Does having a bot revert those alterations without human review not seem a little asinine?

[–]abelsson 1 point2 points ago

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Well, for roughly the same reasons you have a spam filter on your email. A bit less than 10% of all edits are malicious vandalism or test edits. It amounts to tens of thousands per day. You could sort your spam manually too, but you'd end up doing little else.

[–]enkiam 1 point2 points ago

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The bots use heuristics to try to prevent vandalism.

[–]qemqemqem 6 points7 points ago

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If you're bitter about how Wikipedia is run, you should help improve it.

I started patrolling the deletion review because of the unjust deletions that I saw, but over time I've mellowed my inclusionist ways; now I mostly agree with deletion decisions. If you don't like the content that gets included in Wikipedia, maybe you can get involved here.

If anyone gets in your way of improving the encyclopedia, remind them to ignore all rules!

[–]deuteros 4 points5 points ago

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My dad is somewhat well known and there is a Wikipedia article about him. Once he added his date of birth but it was soon deleted for lack of citation.

[–]Shinhan 1 point2 points ago

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And you think wikipedia should accept somebody's word about the date of birth or death?

Biographies of living persons have stricter guidelines to prevent vandals putting in information that is hard to disprove. It is unfortunate that its hard to add your own date of birth (or for your family) but I think this is a good policy as it prevents vandals to put in subtly wrong information.

Consider using Notable wikipedian template in the talk page and just finding a secondary source that lists your fathers DOB.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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He should have cited "personal communication with subject."

[–]RightToArmBears 9 points10 points ago

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Why don't you create an account? Most people who vandalize are anonymous, so the reversion patrol is much more lenient with users with accounts.

[–]Raerth 1 point2 points ago

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I will edit anonymously because it is specifically allowed. If you want to stop me editing anonymously, require registration for editing.

You cannot have it both ways.

[–]wabberjockey 1 point2 points ago

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That's the lazy way, but not the most anonymous. Using an account hides your IP address, which carries information about your location, but simple anonymous does not.

[–]oantolin 0 points1 point ago

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My spelling or grammar corrections don't usually get reverted, but all my actual corrections do! I only make corrections to math articles and they have never been about serious errors. Usually small things that are obvious typos, like (not an actual example since it has been a long time since I actually made a correction and don't remember any example): "the ordered pairs (a,b) and (c,d) are said to be equal if a=b and c=d".

[–]Nikola_S 0 points1 point ago

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I don't remember I ever saw a spelling or grammar correction reverted by a bot, could you give a few examples?

[–]miserlou 18 points19 points ago

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Over 2000 contributions! Almost entirely troll free!

See my contributions here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Miserlou

[–]bostonvaulter 0 points1 point ago

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Wow, I never knew about that page, I have over 100 edits.

[–]the_w 0 points1 point ago

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Almost?

[–]miserlou 5 points6 points ago

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Sometimes, it's really just too tempting. These are 99.5% troll free.

[–]the_w 1 point2 points ago

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What kind of things do you troll? Or is it too insignificant to mention?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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IAMA wikipedia troll AMA

[–]nopantstoday 0 points1 point ago

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Its cool seeing what people are into..

[–]AbouBenAdhem 15 points16 points ago

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I used to contribute fairly heavily when Wikipedia was just getting started; but for the last few years my wikipedia time and reddit time have been inversely proportional.

[–]pandaro 22 points23 points ago

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Reddit seems to have that sort of relationship with ... everything. =/

[–]nullaresnata 8 points9 points ago

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Not with the time I spend with girls. Oh, wait!

[–]gaog 1 point2 points ago

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time spent on GW doesn't count as "time spend with girls"

[–]exscape 11 points12 points ago

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Pretty much nothing but spelling and grammar edits (or broken wiki code). I've created one article, and a bunch of redirects, but that's about it.

[–]Deiz 18 points19 points ago

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And, as with a significant chunk of free software game articles, it was once deleted.

The stringent notability idiocy is largely what keeps me from contributing.

[–]slippage[S] 5 points6 points ago

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This seems to be the sentiment in this thread and hints at the sentiment in the back of my mind why I wouldn't want to write anything. To invest so much time in formatting and good writing, it would be a shame to have it all just wiped out.

[–]loulan 0 points1 point ago

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I usually correct the spelling and grammar of French words/sentences in English articles. For some reason they're always wrong.

[–]deflective 9 points10 points ago

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i've written an upgraded wikipedia pronunciation template. my version allows you to mouseover individual ipa characters and see what they sound like. eg: coelacanth, hold the mouse over the pronunciation (next to the speaker icon).

converting wikipedia articles to use a new template has been a tedious, manual process. in theory, since it has been stable for a while now, so i could start running a bot to convert them but i haven't really looked into it.

if it interests you, there is a greasemonkey script that will give you a button on edit pages to automatically convert old pronunciation templates into the new one. any feedback would be appreciated.

[–]celoyd 1 point2 points ago

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Wow, good on you. That single feature will easily save thousands of people hundreds of hours.

[–]irelayer 5 points6 points ago

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Back when Wikipedia was young, there was a lot more leeway. Over time, a system has been built up wherein people have "territories" (areas or specific articles they monitor) and if you infringe on those, they'll sometimes fight tooth and nail to keep your stuff out. It is a consequence of maturity, and a positive one I think. The system isn't perfect but those little nitpicks and interactions between editors usually results in good content. Whereas before I'd attempt to actually contribute information, now I do microedits to spelling and grammar, tag stuff, remove obvious vandalism, and in particularly egregious cases will even proof and copyedit an entire section.

It is a whole culture, and like anything else if you aren't an active participant, you aren't part of the community. ANYONE can edit it, sure, but there is a built up set of conventions and standards you need to be aware of first, or else your stuff will typically be overwritten.

In other words, its not something you can just contribute to willy nilly. You have to either go full force for a month or two and become part of the community, or do the microedit route. There is a whole "silent majority" aspect to Wikipedia where people will contribute subtle corrections, and that's a huge plus. It frees up the heavy contributors to do what they do best, while leaving the mundane stuff to people who don't have the time or energy to be heavily involved.

[–]frogtopus 6 points7 points ago

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A girl I went to high school with had a dad who used to be a football player. I talked to her once about him and tried to find out more about him. For a few months after that his Wikipedia page (truthfully) stated that "he likes to wear berets."

[–]dbarefoot 0 points1 point ago

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Citation required!

[–]mipadi 5 points6 points ago

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I used to be a heavy Wikipedia editor. Sometimes, I spent hours a day editing Wikipedia. I finally kicked the habit a few years back, and now I only make very minor, infrequent edits (fixing grammar and punctuation, improving formatting, that sort of thing). Mostly I quit because I felt like I was spending too much time doing it, but I also quit because of the politics. Too many of my articles were deleted or "merged" (that is, redirected to a larger article without adding any of the content from my stub); some weren't worth keeping around (I created a lot of stupid Star Wars articles) but some were well-written and well-researched -- they just didn't meet notability guidelines (supposedly) or whatever. Plus I got tired of all the drama with deletionists vs. inclusionists, etc., and decided to move on with my life.

[–]pengo 4 points5 points ago

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I like editing/creating articles on plant and animal species. Fortunately there's no "notibility" police for them, no matter how obscure or rare.

[–]slippage[S] 5 points6 points ago

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This is very sad. WHO DECIDES NOTABILITY!?!? Are they running out of server space? I think the $100 I donated is more than enough to house as much crap anyone could ever write about Star Wars. . . Just keep the fanpics down.

[–]oalsaker 4 points5 points ago

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I translated one from german once about Max Planck's professor, Philipp von Jolly. You can see it has been through several revisions since. It's still alive though, which makes me a little happy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I've started a few articles, and made some major contributions to a few others (the "informal description" section, for instance, in the article on the lambda-calculus). I also correct spelling and grammar mistakes if I spot them whilst reading.

[–]slippage[S] 0 points1 point ago

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What motivated you to write the other articles?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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It improves my academic writing. I'm also trying to raise the profile of my (obscure) subdiscipline. Procrastination also plays a part.

[–]kiplinght 2 points3 points ago

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I've tried to contribute to Wikipedia, but like Digg, unless you have a circlejerk of friends following you, you're unimportant enough to take up a fraction of the space on Wikipedia.

I'll go and fix typos sometimes, but that's it

[–]Leav 3 points4 points ago

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I started the article on steve prefontaine when I was ~16.

Then

Now

[–]bonusonus 2 points3 points ago

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I wrote a bunch of the article on [[Pesticide]] (ok, I stopped myself halfway through that to put in a real link, but then decided to leave it). I mostly sourced it from the textbook for my AP Environmental Science class, and included it as a reference in the article. Basically I re-wrote most of what the textbook said in my own words. A few years later I came back to find that the majority of what I'd written had [citation needed] marks all over it. For a website that purports to hold the sum of all human knowledge, most of its editors are loath to go beyond the internet for actual research, and things like this tend to discourage it.

[–]cojoco 2 points3 points ago

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I think WP moved to in-line citations so that each fact could be checked individually.

This is a very good idea in contentious articles.

[–]bonusonus 0 points1 point ago

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Also, I started editing in 2003, and had at least 3000 edits back when I still bothered logging in when editing.

[–]Pardner 4 points5 points ago

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I tried once. I added a lot of useful information regarding my town and have two or three citations. The changes were instantly reverted. I tried for an hour to get them to stick, but I couldn't do it so I eventually gave up.

[–]notBrit 4 points5 points ago

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I'm a pretty avid editor. I've earned a bunch of "barnstars" (which are retarded) and have had my pages graded "A" and "B" (which is actually pretty col).

However, it gets tiring having to justify my edits to people on the talk pages. This gets especially bad when you add facts or remove falsehoods from pages about subjects that inspire a lot of strong feelings. Try editing any religious page for accuracy, and you'll set off a firestorm among both theists and anti-theists. Once I removed a completely invented story from a page about a religious leader (a transparent attempt to make him look bad), and I was met with a one man religious crusade against that particular denomination.

Also, I wrote almost the entire Horcrux article as it exists today, though I haven't touched it in years. Whatever that's worth.

[–]jllunsfo 2 points3 points ago

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I edited once on a Roman history article on some political scandal when someone cited Livy, who had been dead for like 100 years at the time of the incident.

[–]keito 2 points3 points ago

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No, but since reading this I have signed up and intend to contribute more from here on in.

[–]slippage[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Relevant post made by nulserata about breaking the rules I did not know any of this and it is good to have as reference for when people start trying to hack and slash your work and you need to defend it. Might be time to start improving wikipedia slippage style.

[–]evilnight 2 points3 points ago*

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I wrote one a few years back that is doing pretty well.

This was well before the whole psycho-deletion-edit-NPOV-citation fever took over. I was idly looking up a local theater to find out more about it and found a very shoddy stub page that was in the middle of a VFD.

I'm a bit curious why someone added this rather irrelevant commentary...

Some films that play at this theatre become popular enough to play in theaters nation wide. Examples include My Big Fat Greek Wedding, Napoleon Dynamite, Garden State, The English Patient, Chicago, The Hours, March of the Penguins, Sicko, Fahrenheit 9/11 and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Many films that have been shown at the theater have been later nominated for (and sometimes won) Oscar, with some "Best Picture" winners in the past. Some of those films can end up being box office successes.

Other than that it's almost exactly as I left it 5 years ago. Someone has added a picture, and a few of the wikiprojects have picked up on it but not made any big changes yet.

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[–]slippage[S] 6 points7 points ago

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This is one of the big things I wonder about. Who is this cabal? Who gets to say whether an article gets deleted? Is there an unwritten standard for which a piece of information is required to achieve before it can be kept as part of an article or is it the credibility of the individual who is making the edit?

[–]Deiz 15 points16 points ago

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Wikipedia has a notability guideline, along with 'reliable sources'.

The former is the metric by which an article's inclusion is decided, and the latter satisfies the former.

I find their sourcing policies to be highly antiquated, because they essentially discard all amateur journalism. For an article to survive in the long term, the subject must be covered by a commercial publication.

Of course, most Redditors have observed the decreasing quality of professional journalism, as well as many print publications failing to compete with online news, and summarily shutting down.

[–]cojoco 2 points3 points ago

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I find their sourcing policies to be highly antiquated, because they essentially discard all amateur journalism. For an article to survive in the long term, the subject must be covered by a commercial publication.

I actually agree with this, because the standard of proof required to be an amateur journalist is, basically, zero

It's not actually that bad in non-contentious areas, such as novels, where links to amateur review websites usually seem to stick around.

[–]Deiz 4 points5 points ago

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I'm a fan of variable sourcing requirements. In a person's biography or a politically-charged issue sure, you should try to find sources that are respected and have substantial oversight (ideally, peer-review).

The vast majority of content isn't contentious, though, and I think it suffers from having its notability judged by the number of 'reliable' sources.

[–]mmaluff 1 point2 points ago

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I think this is true mainly of the English wiki. The other ones are much nicer about it, and don't bother so much with the [citation needed] deal.

[–]whereverjustice 2 points3 points ago

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Who gets to say whether an article gets deleted?

When an article is listed for deletion, there is a link to the deletion discussion on the page, and any Wikipedia user can contribute to that. After some time has passed, an Administrator will attempt to discern consensus from the discussion, and either delete the page or leave it be.

[–]qemqemqem 1 point2 points ago

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It is all written down. Deletion debates occur here and the standards for information are here; look at the "Content standards" in the sidebar. Source suitability is discussed here.

[–]cojoco 3 points4 points ago

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It all being written down makes it so much easier to club the newbies to death with bureaucracy!

Thanks for pointing that out.

[–]Pylly 15 points16 points ago

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What agenda is that?

[–]Deiz 19 points20 points ago

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There's lots of drama surrounding politically-charged articles, as well as seasoned editors taking 'ownership' of articles, reverting new contributions that they don't approve of.

Aside from that, Wikipedia edit count is analogous to Reddit karma. It's easier to increase your edit count by getting involved in the bureaucracy than it is to do research and write new content.

As such, many veteran editors treat the rules and guidelines as unbending laws, clobbering new users with them, reverting legitimate contributions, deleting articles that marginally fail the notability guideline, et cetera.

It's basically a completely hostile environment for new users, which is a pretty sad state of affairs for "The free encyclopedia that anyone can edit."

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago

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The deleting of articles that don't meet notability standards irks me to no end. I mean, okay so maybe a very useful list comparing cd burning programs across several platforms doesn't belong on Wikipedia, but it's not like they're printing the thing on fucking paper. I mean, server space isn't an issue and people find it useful so why in delete it?

[–]Deiz 9 points10 points ago

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I think deleting good but non-notable articles is akin to book-burning. Even though its policies scare off most potential editors, Wikipedia is the largest collaborative documentation project in existence. If a few passionate people want to write about something in an objective, encyclopedic manner, let them.

... As opposed to miring them in bureaucracy and subsequently deleting their work, permanently alienating them from the project.

[–]slippage[S] 6 points7 points ago

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Perfect example. It is, whether or not appropriately, my go to resource for information on anything. When I google a topic, I want the top result to be the relevantly corresponding wikipedia article.

[–]cojoco 5 points6 points ago

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This is especially galling given that there are so many other non-notable articles, such as one for every episode of the Simpsons (I think?), but the non-notability of other articles is no defense.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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There's a list of episodes for most series. The Daily Show, for example, has both a list of notable guests, a list of episodes, a page for each of the Indecision specials, and a list of recurring elements.

I don't see why they couldn't just segregate insufficiently notable articles into a separate Wikimedia project that's tied in with Wikipedia, similar to how you'll sometimes be offered relevant Wiktionary definitions or Wikiquotes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Here's a tip: try and stay away from creating new articles, other than media (musical albums that meet notability guidelines, video games, movies, etc). And if you must create an article, please DO READ the notability guidelines before doing so. There are people who actively patrol new pages created to make sure non-notable pages don't stay up for long. They know the notability guidelines well but that doesn't mean they're always correct. If someone deletes your article and you believe it does meet notability guidelines, argue to have it undeleted.

Overall, though, I'd say you would have a much more satisfying experience if you tried to stick to editing stub/start-class articles, improving grammar/spelling, fixing formatting, etc. This is what is known as being a WikiGnome, and it's pretty much a surefire way to stay out of drama. Of course you won't be able to claim to have made some massive contribution to a popular article at the end of the day, but you can claim the following:

  • You made edits that someone else would not have made.
  • You made edits that will help standardize Wikipedia and make it easier to browse.
  • You did not get involved in pointless drama.
  • Your edits did not get immediately deleted.
  • Maybe you even helped bring an article to Good or Featured status by fixing formatting, references, and wording.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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I just wanted to say that most of the time, if an edit gets reversed immediately for seemingly incorrect reasons, it's almost certainly a bot - or someone who is actively patrolling pages to further their political viewpoint (in other words, not what I would refer to as a seasoned editor, regardless of edit count).

I'd actually be willing to say that edit count is not that much like karma at all, because it's not displayed by default on anyone's page.

That said, it's probably a good idea stay away from politically charged articles on Wikipedia. Stick to improving the smaller/stub-class/start-class articles that really need it. Join a WikiProject and complete some of the suggested tasks. It can be a lot of fun and really helpful, and you stay out of much of the pointless drama that seems to invade a lot of Wikipedia.

[–]I_divided_by_0- 5 points6 points ago

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Wikipedia should reset users every few years, that would certainly help.

[–]nullaresnata 1 point2 points ago

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Try the religious ones, the case is even worse.

[–]plbogen 0 points1 point ago*

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As much as a I don't like the man and think yell leaders are silly, one of the more veteran editors keeps making Rick Perry's wikipedia entry say he was a cheerleader instead of a yell leader.

[–]chrisbooth12 6 points7 points ago

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If by work on you mean i make Luke Skywalker the only known gay Jedi than yes I do work on it.

[–]isharq 3 points4 points ago

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I've started about half a dozen articles, and I've done about 400-500 edits or so... But I don't really feel that passionate about it. The lack of credit for your hard work bothers me a little.

[–]GoatBnnn 12 points13 points ago

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its not about credit, it is about sharing knowledge. If you saw an old lady fall down, would you help her up ONLY if someone is there to pat you on the back, or because its the right thing to do?

[–]isharq 4 points5 points ago

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would you help her up ONLY if someone is there to pat you on the back

Not in the slightest. In fact, I volunteer about 20% of my time in various ways... But you get something in return for it: Feedback, a sense of community, feeling that you've done The Right Thing etc.

Since I write for a living, I find writing for free / editing wikipedia without any sort of benefit in return less than appealing.

[–]GoatBnnn 1 point2 points ago

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"But you get something in return for it: Feedback"

Exactly. You need the pat on the back.

[–]captainmcr 0 points1 point ago

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Credit where credit is due.

[–]slippage[S] 3 points4 points ago

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Do you think that this is the destiny of open web where once the novelty wears off there will just be a few people keeping up with it and knowledge will start to gravitate toward those people's biases?

[–]isharq 0 points1 point ago

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I think there will always be a large number of people who are willing and able to help out, to build upon what has been created by those before them.

But, as you say, in the long run, what motivates people will be very interesting. It may very well be that those with ulterior motives (bias etc) could take over. I doubt it for huge projects like Wikipedia, but who knows...

[–]ravedave 1 point2 points ago

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I used to contribute heavily, I was one of the main authors in getting [[Minnesota]] to featured status, but I've been spending most of my time on reddit, playing tf2 and writing android apps for the past year.

[–]slippage[S] 0 points1 point ago

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what motivated you to write so much about Minnesota? Personally, I feel like I could write loads about my neighborhood/DC but I don't really know where to start or what is relevant.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I wrote a few articles (less than 10), some improvements, but mostly small corrections. A lot of interwiki stuff (there was a semi-automatic tool) a few years ago. I'm a WikiGnome.

[–]bioskope 1 point2 points ago

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I edit information like numbers, scores etc. in sports related articles, add bits of information to already existing topics, as and when I run across news articles touching on said topics. Usually that editing is confined to obscure topics, as the community is prompt at updating information for the more relevant ones, and also because there's a higher chance of my looking up articles on obscure topics. I'm not a power editor by any stretch of the imagination though. I don't get involved in arguments over neutrality or endorsement of content, in the talk pages. If someone feels the need to override or fine tune my edit, I don't give a rats ass. It doesn't discourage me. I still continue to do it, because I can. I don't create pages from scratch either, as my writing skills are subpar and I virtually don't proof-read anything I write.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I (effectively) maintain a page on a relatively obscure programming language. All the major edits are mine.

I do a fair amount of technical writing (white papers, how-tos, cheat sheets, man pages, etc...) and the process of writing a wikipedia page was (to me) quite unique and different than other writing.

[–]CritterM72800 0 points1 point ago

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Which programming language?

[–]amishius 1 point2 points ago

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I contributed pretty heavily to Wikiversity for a long while then realized the whole thing was stupid.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I never understood how it was different from Wikibooks.

[–]amishius 0 points1 point ago

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It's supposed to be for actually TEACHING but that's just kind of retarded with people with no quals teaching other people with no quals. They needed to fix it and, as far as I know, they have not.

[–]rossberry 1 point2 points ago

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I tried a few times but there are a few people who devote themselves to disallowing any changes to be made on Wikipedia. I tried to add A Clockwork Orange to the nihilism in film section but my post was repeatedly deleted even though I included legitimate citations.

EDIT: Apparently after I left people eventually caught on that the guy was a problem

[–]JGoody 1 point2 points ago

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I've done a decent amount of work adding citations where needed in the past, often just a matter of fishing up some old news article and linking appropriately.

I was also extremely involved with WikiNews back when it was first getting started, but then I got busy with life and it got too big for me to really keep up with.

[–]paulrpotts 1 point2 points ago*

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I have written much of the material on the English horror writer William Hope Hodgson and his works (although others have contributed) and some guitars and guitar makers. There's more I'd like to do with the Hodgson material but I have kind of wandered away from it; I don't like how heated the arguments can get on talk pages.

I'm slightly embarrassed to admit I've done some editing on guides to episodes of Doctor Who, mostly in reducing the word count in plot summaries.

The creation of "summaries" is kind of an odd gray area that could be counted as "original research."

I think I've done some more here and there but I've probably forgotten some of what I've done... guess I should sign in (which I haven't done for a year or more) and see what it says.

Oh... here's a photo I took for the article on hard disk drives... these were all on a bookshelf at my old apartment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SixHardDriveFormFactors.jpg

Update: just logged in for the first time in some time... having stuff deleted that I put a lot of time into can be a little frustrating...

[–]HardwareLust 1 point2 points ago

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I used to, but I gave up awhile back after being beaten over the head by people who have nothing better to do with their lives but sit around and wait for someone to edit something so they can revert it or delete it. Wikipedia is infected with so many petty tirant "editors" and deletionists that I basically find the whole exercise of editing to be pointless and a waste of time.

[–]TheAceOfHearts 1 point2 points ago

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I'm too stupid to edit Wikipedia. There's just too many rules and regulations for me to keep up. And sometimes when I feel like I could add something, I hesitate because I'm afraid I'll do it wrong. I tried reading the guidelines but it's just so overwhelming, I have a lot of respect for people that actually follow through with it.

One thing I'd like to fix is my grandfather's Wikipedia, he was a very influential person in my country, yet he doesn't even have an article in the Spanish version (surprisingly, the English version does have information on him).

[–]pengo 2 points3 points ago

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Just write prose and don't insert your own opinion. Not much more to it than that.

Let others add formatting, stub notices, infoboxes, categories, etc until you learn that crap.

[–]slippage[S] 0 points1 point ago

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When I did my one article, I think I went to another page for a game or whatever and stated copying and pasting and just changing the content so that the tags and everything were the same. It wasn't beautiful but it was good enough that people who knew what they were doing prettified it later rather than wiping it completely.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Care to elaborate on your grandfather's wiki page? I might be able to help.

[–]pengo 1 point2 points ago*

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I've started a few articles and stubs, often in the hope someone else will improve them. Sometimes they do (e.g. Neglected diseases, Superseded scientific theories), sometimes they just stay stubs (e.g. Monkey drive, Pimelea spicata).

Also I created and implemented that conservation status diagram (the circles) you see on, for example, Iberian Ribbed Newt.

Currently project is to turn all the red-link plant species on Rainforest in Victoria (Australia) into at least stubs. (Any help appreciated)

edit: to answer the poster's questions: Biggest fear (or annoyance) is having your article or edits deleted (eg I started "List of minority-opinion scientific theories" which was deleted for fairly flimsy reasons.

requirements to edit wikipedia: you need to know English or one of the other 100+ languages wikipedia is in. You dont need subject knowledge—wikipedia is a synthesis of published knowledge, so you should be drawing on what's out there and give it an "encyclopedic" tone. Also helps to be cool headed, as trivial arguments arent rare.

[–]Cilpot 1 point2 points ago

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I created the reddit page! For the Norwegian Wikipedia that is.

[–]cojoco 1 point2 points ago

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Many people here are talking about not getting enough credit for helping edit Wikipedia, but to me this seems like a very selfish attitude.

I have gained a lot of good use out of WP, I probably look up articles every single day.

The 1,600-or-so edits I have done in return are a drop in the ocean compared to the value I have obtained from it.

[–]plbogen 1 point2 points ago*

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I do. I did most of the research on this one.

I also work on a couple that technically I may be too close to the subjects for. :-P

[–]Nibaritone 1 point2 points ago

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I got yelled at the first time I tried to fix a sentence. So now I know better than to try to ingratiate myself to the Wikipedia royalty.

It fills my heart with sadness that I cannot add my own edits and articles.

[–]infinitysnake 1 point2 points ago

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I used to contribute a lot, but the politics of Wikipedia got to be pretty onerous, and I pretty much quit after a spiteful new admin permaposted my name and address during a dispute (his contetion: editing without logging in was "sockpuppeting." He lost the fight, but my address was archived, and later used by a stalker. :(

I still enjoy reading the wiki, and do make frequent style/grammar corrections, but the days of day-long article sessions are definitely over for me.

[–]Apple_Mash 2 points3 points ago

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Every single time I have ever tried to edit wikipedia (to fix mistakes in articles) my changes have been deleted and my IP was banned.

[–]gwern 0 points1 point ago

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Nobody cares about whether famous people had sex with your mom!

[–]TheBatmanToMyBruce 1 point2 points ago

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I added the Controversy section to this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_S._Mills_High_School

It gets deleted every few months, presumably by someone at the school. I keep it in my bookmarks bar, so I'll remember to check it occasionally. It's my little personal one-man stand against censorship.

[–]pippy 1 point2 points ago

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Created page on favorite artist.

It got deleted.

Created it again.

It got deleted.

A known wiki member created it, the same as my first, it got kept. Gave up on editing wikipedia.

It's worse than circle jerk. And there's massive amounts of errors in it.

[–]LeonHRodriguez 0 points1 point ago

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I have edited two pages: Seth Rogen's and the film 'Insomnia' starring Al Pacino

Both were detail corrections

[–]toastspork 0 points1 point ago

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About 3 or 4 times a year, usually additions or corrections, and often something esoteric like adding something that was missing from a band's discography. No username, just my IP address.

[–]zerbey 0 points1 point ago

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Not as much as I used to, due to lack of time. I've had a number of articles featured in the past though.

[–]dggenuine 0 points1 point ago

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I make minor edits, add links. I too am tired of fighting with the editors who have little mini-fiefdoms and nothing but time on their hands.

[–]ontarian 0 points1 point ago

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I have started several articles and made substantial corrections and improvements to articles on biochemistry and biology.

[–]Stu8912 0 points1 point ago

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I've written several articles & mostly written quite a few. I stick to what I know well so they are mostly all Texas history related, people, colleges, small towns or related to college sports. I also will correct glaring mistakes if I see them and know for a fact they are off & minor grammar mistakes I find.

[–]DeskFlyer 0 points1 point ago

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I make some corrections/additions to articles from time to time, but usually nothing major. I created only one article.

[–]drzowie 0 points1 point ago

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I did. I wrote major chunks of perhaps 30-50 science-related articles in my field of expertise, and in fields I am marginally interested in (like nuclear physics). For a long time I fought to get rid of bad crank science (like the Electric Universe "theory" or the "sunspots are made of iron" "theory"). Then I got tired of wrangling with wikipedians -- I have bigger fish to fry in real life, and there is a large enough supply of people who want to do that kind of thing to blow off steam.

[–]cinematix 0 points1 point ago

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I have updated a bunch of futurama related articles

[–]taev 0 points1 point ago

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I tend not to make edits, other than spelling/grammar. I detest debate for the sake of debate. Certain classifications of topics, for example, bother me, but I have better things to do with my time than try to fight bots for control of the language of wikipedia.

[–]armyofone13 0 points1 point ago

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I've never written a complete article, but I make small changes and additions occasionally

[–]cheek_blushener 0 points1 point ago

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I've started a number of articles, I've done some spoken articles, and I regularly contribute. I went through a phase in 2006 where wikipedia contribution was my main hobby.

One of the articles I started now gets over 20,000 hits a month, but most of them (including my favourite) get <100.

[–]giantsfan134 0 points1 point ago

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I make a lot of small grammar edits and suggestions for larger changes on the discussion changes, but never actually make any big edits. I generally don't want to invest a lot of time only to have it reverted, and if I post on the discussion page I know that someone else will do it or people will improve upon my suggestions.

[–]flameofmiztli 0 points1 point ago

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I edit Wikipedia articles, but only in obscure fandom topics. (For example, I do lots of editing of articles on the original BSG.) I feel like I should contribute more, but honestly, there aren't many "serious" topics I feel like I can actually make contributions on, so I do what I can.

[–]Yofi 0 points1 point ago

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If by contribute you mean nitpick their grammar, then yes, yes I do. Although I did translate the entry on curtains into French. o.O I was bored…

[–]Flaiware 0 points1 point ago

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I don't touch the english wikipedia a lot, but if I'm looking for something and find it on the english version but not on my local version (swedish) I usually contribute to the local one. (Only if I know enough about the subject of course).

[–]abelsson 0 points1 point ago

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I'm a member of the (much hated) admin corps on Wikipedia. I've unfortunately not contributed much at all during the past months, due to lack of time, but if you could use the services of a friendly neighborhood janitor, let me know.

[–]bdspinoza 0 points1 point ago

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I mostly edit for spelling/grammar/vandalism/citations, but occasionally I'll add easily sourceable content. Nothing really of substance, to be perfectly honest, but I do what I can.

[–]turtlestack 0 points1 point ago

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I'm not into Wikipedia, but I am super active on Wikinews. Last count I've done 73 episodes at over 16 hours total audio.

The best part is I'm able to do so freely without the hassle of the wiki drama from wikipedia. Of course, that's because hardly anyone goes to wikinews :(

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I update and expand articles on plants native to the PNW if I notice discrepancies with the article and published sources. Sometimes if a cool bit of primary research comes out I'll update an article with that, too.

[–]MTCicero 0 points1 point ago

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Only one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_von_le_coq

Wrote a term paper on him in high school. Still have an attachment to the nasty little racist

[–]eandi 0 points1 point ago

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I updated my high school article.

[–]Tartantyco 0 points1 point ago

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I'm a Grammar Nazi, that's the extent of my involvement.

[–]grumpy_technologist 0 points1 point ago*

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I wrote my bachelors thesis on a subject that had a terrible Wikipedia page. I posted many details resulting from what I did and was very proud.

tl;dr *raises hand*

edit: as for requirements, I just added what I knew. Someday someone will come along and change or update any errors, if I don't sooner. Totally satisfied, would do again.

[–]VisVirtusque 0 points1 point ago

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I tried to make one for me a couple years ago. Here's what I wrote:

"Chris was not so much born as he spontaneously appeared one day, a product of all that is good in the universe. Other than his miraculous birth Chris lived a fairly normal childhood, engaging in Nerf gun battles, hot-wheels races, and other such activities children are prone to undertake. Until, that is, his thirteenth birthday. The day after his thirteenth birthday he realized he could read other people's minds. As he grew older he realized he had other powers as well: he could teleport (kind of like Nightcrawler in the X-Men movies, but a lot cooler), in the foot steps of Mario, he has learned to shoot fireballs with his hands and can shoot different shapes, he can sculpt water, and many other powers. Recently, while in college, he has learned how to make objects levitate. He has also created several new elements, Chrisium being the most recent. He plans to rule the world some day and has already carved out a small empire in the southwestern United States, centered in Orange County, California. He has named his empire Christopherum, though you know it as Southern California, Arizona, and New Mexico.

Stay tuned for more........"

........It was deleted and I was banned :(

[–]br0k3nglass 0 points1 point ago

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I edit wikipedia articles on a fairly regular basis, and was responsible for the creation of two brand new pages which have evolved quite well since I started them. I haven't been involved in any edit wars or had any nightmarish reversion experiences. 90% of my edits these days seem to be spelling corrections or the addition of references to articles. Also, if I read a great book about a topic and don't see it listed on the relevant wiki page(s), I add it to the bibliography. I've discovered so many awesome books via the bibliographies on certain wiki pages, so it's my way of giving back.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Don't ever change anything written by a sysop.

Those people don't (internet) mess around.

[–]MetricSuperstar 0 points1 point ago

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Yup. I kinda got into it big time about a year ago for a few months. Earned a barn-star (like trophies, I guess) and a few friends then gave up again. It's not very rewarding. I still dick about occasionally but I don't live on it like I once did.

It's all very bitter and political behind the scenes; people deleting this and saving that and arguing and striving to become admins for no real reason other than they think it'll make them more respected.

I did a lot of work on this article. It's not very impressive. It then got trimmed back and nominated for deletion a few times. I also lied my ass off to get the thumbnail headshot up there because I have no idea what copyrights it had and no fucker would help me and an automated bot threatened to delete if it I didn't justify it's use.

So yeah, used to but not any more.

[–]paiaw 0 points1 point ago

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I used to regularly, but just don't have as much time lately. Created a couple articles, new page patrolled more than I care to admit, and I still edit pages when I find things to be off, badly formatted, or just spelling errors.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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If it's an article I'm really interested in, I'll usually try to beef it up or make corrections. I make spelling and grammar corrections whenever I see them (too easy to not do it). I hardly ever take information out of articles or start new one's, though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I do, I'm currently trying to put together a team to rework a lot of their Art technique/theory related articles if anyone is interested.

They are in shambles.

[–]cojoco 0 points1 point ago

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I have created a handful of articles, contributed substantially to some, and kept an eye on a few that seem in danger of being shifted by special interests.

Wikipedia is extremely vulnerable to vested interests; a small group of full-time editors with agenda to push can immeasurably damage Wikipedia's neutrality. This has been very well documented in a few cases.

Attempting to push against such edits is extremely emotionally tiring.

[–]jmwchampion 0 points1 point ago

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I'm addicted to Wikipedia, I was in the middle of editing when I saw this post. I've got a shit load of edits and have created hundreds of articles (all immensely obscure). It makes me feel like I'm contributing something to the world, and my writing and researching skills have greatly improved since I started editing four years ago.

[–]Synaptic_Gap 0 points1 point ago

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I have once...

[–]lucasvb 0 points1 point ago

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I used to be really active, mostly with images and animations for science and math topics. Haven't done anything in ages, though.

[–]spike55151 0 points1 point ago

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I'm a terrible writer and my grammar is shit so I don't do those things, but I do add my own cc-licensed photos when I can.

[–]the_argus 0 points1 point ago

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I wrote one for a non profit organization that I made a website for. It was basically their info packet turned into a wiki article. Also I fix graffiti at times.

[–]moxley 0 points1 point ago

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Minor edits and additions to existing articles.

[–]enkiam 0 points1 point ago

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I wrote the stub for a power metal band a friend and I like, but most of my Wikipedia edits are reverting vandalism. I have a bookmark to a search of recent anonymous edits, and in 10 minutes of refreshing it, I'm typically able to find, revert, and report a lot of vandalism. The best time to do this is anytime kids in English-speaking countries are in school.

[–]takatori 0 points1 point ago*

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Not anymore, because the vast majority of all submissions and edits I've ever submitted have been reverted or removed, usually by an admin without any explanation given.

It's one thing to revert something that doesn't meet some kind of editorial guideline, but not giving any feedback about the reason? Very off-putting.

I once spend an hour or more adding a section to an article, including footnotes and references, and the entire thing was reverted because I didn't format the reference correctly. Why not fix the reference, or point me to an example?

Also, the deletionists have taken over. What's the point of an encyclopedia on a nearly unlimited electronic storage medium, without it being encyclopedic?

[–]ParrotofDoom 0 points1 point ago

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I'm a pretty regular contributor to Wikipedia. I've written most of the Pink Floyd album articles, and random things like Blackbeard, Dick Turpin, etc. I do a lot of odd stuff, like Cock Lane ghost, Elizabeth Canning, Mary Toft. I'm one of the primary authors of Gropecunt Lane, a big contributor to Wife selling, and right now I'm working my way through the Gunpowder Plot conspirators (oh and I did a rather large chunk of that article too).

I enjoy it. You learn things, and if you edit often enough you become pretty good at copyediting.

[–]jugalator 0 points1 point ago

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I used to, for around two years ago... I even donated, and to my surprise, I once got a christmas card from Wikipedia. :D But for some reason, it doesn't feel as important anymore. :/ It's not as much about the administration, as it is about how "important" my contributions feel, I think...

Nowadays, I mostly just look after some articles that annoy me particularly much about repeats in a paragraph, and so on. Sometimes, it's just too noticeable, that a paragraph is about 2-3 people that have "collaborated", instead of one text that feels "fluid" to read. I.e. I try to shorten and remove redundant parts, etc... Fix up the language (even if I'm not from the USA or UK, haha!), and so on...

[–]Merovingi 0 points1 point ago

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I dont post on Wiki but i do enjoy the criticism section. People say "Wiki is often just popular opinion and false due to open editing" and their right! Its teaching ppl an important lesson about how information spreads though isn't it.

This is necessary!

[–]VelvetElvis 0 points1 point ago

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I've contributed sourced facts to articles on various bands I like. I do spelling and grammer edits.

I've worked on a couple larger pages as a project which was enough to convince me never to do that again.

[–]kayura77 0 points1 point ago

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One time, Wikipedia was wrong. It said that Billy Corgan was the voice of Ikkakumon, but it's okay, I fixed it.

[–]adamstarr 0 points1 point ago

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I keep tabs on and occasionally add to articles on things that I'm interested. Writing my first wikipedia entry probably felt similar to what it feels like for an author to be published for the first time. I recommend it! I added some of the history to this for a school project and also have added to this and this.

[–]zoweee 0 points1 point ago

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Hell yeah, baby! Samsuiluna!

[–]QblaKahn 0 points1 point ago

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I mostly do spelling and grammar edits. All of my other edits are about bands/musicians and their albums/EP's.

[–]dbarefoot 0 points1 point ago*

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Five years ago, I started the entry on cage dancing.

(In truth, I also make a few edits every month).

[–]snookums 0 points1 point ago

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Too many rules, rules aren't clear, a horrible syntax that turns away most non-CS people, not easy to find templates, etc.

[–]Lacan 0 points1 point ago

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made this one

[–]DogBotherer 0 points1 point ago

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I have done, in small ways, mostly corrections and little titbits of additional information, but now some superset of IP addresses of which mine is part are blocked from editing. :-(

[–]FedoraToppedLurker 0 points1 point ago

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I have a couple pet stubs I am slowly improving, but not much information is available online to reference.

[–]KICKERMAN360 0 points1 point ago

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I re-wrote 80% of the Freestyle motocross article and a few bits of the Travis Pastrana article, only to have some halfwits add in tricks or information that isn't true such as stupid trick names.

[–]wabberjockey 0 points1 point ago

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I've started a few articles and contributed the bulk of a few others. Some are on subjects I'm pretty knowledgeable on, but others aren't. Sometimes I like to research an obscure subject I don't know much about and then add an article for it. I do it mainly because it's a positive contribution (like the many I've benefited from by reading WP articles to find out what the hell something is), and because it has a chance of lasting (unlike, say, a reddit comment). I don't like the contentiousness on WP, but I stay away from the political, religious, etc areas (which don't interest me) and don't run into much.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Actually, just 1 real one. The rest I was drunk and changed pi to pie or something.

I added my great uncle as the guy who named the 76'ers. Every time I revisit the page someone changed it to something else though. Bastards.

[–]jonsayer 0 points1 point ago

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I was reading the article on computer printers out of sheer boredom when I realized that several paragraphs were just plain repeated over and over. I created an account and deleted the duplicates.

I also improved the article about the company I work for.

[–]gwern 0 points1 point ago

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